It's been warm enough in the REAL USDA Zone 8 that some of the spilled sunflower seeds from my birdfeeder have sprouted, grown, and flowered. I have a small dwarf sunflower patch, about a half- dozen sunflowers blooming on December 11. Harry Boswell hboswell@netdoor.com USDA Zone 8 http://www2.netdoor.com/~hboswell