David, it's zone 6 and 31* here just north of NYC too -- must be the same Gulf Stream effect. Finally cut down the raspberies today (sob), but not until I had popped about a dozen into my mouth.. We made yet one more attempt to secure that 40 ft of burlap windshield -- to our horror, yesterday's little wind of 25mph actually fractured three of the 8 ft stakes, because of the burlap acting as sails. We've left an air space of about 8 inches below the burlap, so the wind will not hit a blind wall -- but the power of nature is immense. Our current strategy is to reinforce the wooden stakes with 8 ft steel stakes which we have on hand, at least in strategic spots. Time will tell.. The roses keep on blooming -- the chill in the air seems to preserve the blooms quite amazingly. I'm all bundled up and my fingers are frozen, but the roses do make me smile. When the thermometer rises above 45* during midday, I am still deep watering the foundation planting in rotation for 75 minutes per area so that everything stands the best chance of surviving the winter winds. It's taking an eternity -- hope I finish going 'round before the weather makes it prohibitive. And as for the meteor shower Sunday night -- with the predicted overcast skies, I think once more we are up the creek without a paddle. What a frustration! Penny, NY zone 6 ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]