George wrote: > Well, some of them died from stuff they preserved for the winter, too. > Not only do we have > better information, gained scientifically, today but we are a weaker people. > .... I remember a friend telling about the time when his grandpa tried to clean out the cellar (probably make it easier to spot the rattlesnakes when they were down there hiding from a tornado), and his grandmother looking at the canned stuff he'd hauled up. Some of which had probably been there since they were married, reduced by ? enzymatic action, I guess, to glop that would make thousand-year-eggs look like nouvelle couisine - and saying, "But as long as the lids are down the food is still safe." He did say she never actually used any of the back-shelf stuff, just hated to see it thrown to the chickens, but I never wondered after that where this guy acquired the habit of boiling everything till it fell apart. BK--- doesn't suppose there's any rush to breed a jalapeno that grows to the size of the jar so you could just stack the slices, and each one fits a sandwich. Like that new cucumber.... A proprietary variety, I guess; haven't seen either the seeds or the pickles, though they've supposedly been marketing those for a year or more.