Both of these sites are offering pH meters of considerably better quality than the $20 ones commonly sold in gardening stores that look like a old fuel gauge with a couple of stout wires sticking out of the bottom. That variety gives wierd and wonderful (but rarely accurate) measurements, and you can often watch the needle drift around in a buffer solution of known pH. Nor can you get several to agree with one another. A few years ago, I put three of them in a beaker with pH 7.01 buffer used for calibrating lab meters, and got simultaneous readings of 5.5, 7.4 and 8.3. In contrast, a paper like pHydrion is about 1/4 the price and has an accuracy of about 0.5 pH units... more than close enough for all but the most finicky plants. In my opinion, after doing many critical pH measurements over the years, I can't find a pH meter that costs less than about $50 I'd be willing to trust as a substitute for pHydrion at $5.00. And there are more accurate indicator strips available through various scientific supply companies... they simply provide more precision than you need for garden pH measurements, and at a higher cost. If you do require more precision (for hydroponics, for instance), there are short range pH papers that will give you a good 0.2 unit precision within that range, and they're a whole lot easier to use than calibrating a meter and keeping the electrodes properly cleaned and fed, in my opinion. Kay Lancaster kay@fern.com just west of Portland, OR USDA zone 8 (polarfleece)