Oh Kay, thanks for posting how to use it cause that was going to be one of my questions to you. Just ordered some and they are very good to deal with over the phone. Penny >>> Kay Lancaster <kay@fern.com> 05/21/99 01:29PM >>> On Fri, 21 May 1999, Penny Nielsen wrote: > Kay I tried the site you posted about the papers and alls I could find was > their plastic containers that they sell. What did I do wrong? I would really > like to try the paper since it is so reasonable. Is it easy to use also? Sorry, I missed the original question. Nasco does not have their entire catalog on line... I just happened to have a 1998 Nasco Agricultural Sciences catalog handy, which gives the item number and price. You might want to call and ask for the catalog, too, as it has a number of other items that are very useful for gardeners, like popcorn shellers and old fashioned corn shellers, grafting wax, etc. You'll want the pHydrion paper in the dispenser, not the two roll refill paper, as it does not come with the color chart you'll need to read the test results (at least it didn't a few years ago). To use pHydrion paper, take a small soil sample (about a tablespoon is plenty), and mush it up with some water... you want a little excess water, but not much. Put a drop of the excess water on a snippet of pH paper (ok, I'm cheap, I use about 1/2" (1 cm) held in tweezers) and wait a minute. Compare the color of the paper to the color chart and read the number on the chart. That's it. The color change is not "stepwise", so if your test shows a color between, say, 6 and 7, I'd call the pH as 6.5 -- plenty close enough for garden work. If you put the rest of the roll in a sealed plastic bag or margarine tub and chuck it in the refrigerator when you're not using it, it's probably good for 10+ years (I won't go beyond that, but I know I've gotten accurate tests from 10 year old rolls of pHydrion) For those who missed it last time around, Nasco is one company who carries pHydrion paper (there are many others!) The number for the roll with tester is C08834N, $5 in the 1998 catalog. Phone number for orders is 1 800 558 9595. I'm just a customer of Nasco from years past (I've ordered a ton of whirlpak bags for plant samples over the years!). You may also be able to get pHydrion paper at the local farm store, vet supply, or pharmacy (you'll want the pH 4-9 wide range type most likely... it covers all the pHs plants are really willing to grow in). If you need the short range paper because you're doing hydroponics, I know I've seen it in hydroponic catalogs, or you can beg a local science teacher to put a roll on their next order from a supply house like Fisher Scientific and reimburse for it. (Fisher seems to be a pain to order from as a "plain old person"). Kay Lancaster kay@fern.com (no George, I'm not irate, just ... uh... blushing at your description)