When we built our raised rose bed 15 years ago, Jim dug down 18 inches, and I scraped the soil with a steel rake to make it usable. (My but I was young once....) The bed was 6 x 13. Jim borrowed a chain saw, and did the very difficult job of sawing the 6" x 6" x 10ft treated wood into all the pieces we would need to make a containing fence with "log cabin" dovetailing. He fastened them together with long nails driven in on an angle -- I think that's called 'toe-ing in' -- both inside and out. This was set up to border the 6 x 13 pit which was ready, using three 6" boards stacked on top of each other. First we placed all the sods that had been removed from the top in the first place, upside down in the bottom of the hole. After that we moved yards of top soil (which contained a little sand) about 20ft from where it had been dumped in the driveway. Interspersed with the top soil were two 6 cu.ft. bales of peat moss, broken apart, and the original soil raked semi-fine. . We did not have any compost left at all so that this rose bed contained nothing but top soil, the bit of sand, the original soil (minus the rocks) and the peat moss. With the hole in the ground being 18" deep, and the treated wood fencing also being 18" high, we now had a rose bed 36" deep. Into this 'box' I planted 23 roses, rows of 5 then 4 then 5 then 4 then 5. It turned out to be WAY too crowded once they had grown in, so I was forced to eliminate an entire row, and we now have 18 roses in there. As soon as the roses were in, I buried 2 old fashioned green spraying soaker hoses connected with a siamese valve threaded one starting at the back, and one starting at the front, and since my good fairy was watching, they just came out perfectly to fit through all the spaces between the rows of roses, about 2 inches under the surface. Then I topped the entire surface with buckwheat hulls, about 2 inches thick. They never blow around, keep out 100% of all weeds, and keep in the moisture which is provided. The whole construction seems to be indestructable. It gets about 8 hours of full sunlight during the summer, and anything from 1 to 18 snow storms each winter. We painted wood stain preservative on it once, after 13 years. Penny, NY, zone 6 ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.