. George, when I stumbled out to the kitchen this morning, Jimmie greeted me with, "Good morning! I've been waiting for you to go outside and check all the downspouts off the gutters!" Uggh -- I thought he's WAY too old and unsteady to be lugging that 30 ft ladder around, and how many shrubs will we break, and how many flowers will we trample...? But i knew that a contractor would be arriving shortly, and we were still searching for the source of all that mean water which invaded our basement last Thursday. I was happy to see what he had rigged up to do the job with less risk...: he had an enormous telescoping aluminum pole which he had lashed to an old washing machine exhaust hose with a crooked neck that he had forced on to a 12" length of old garden hose with a female coupling at the other end where he could screw on a real garden hose. Good old Rube Goldberg! This gimmick one of us would reach up and hook in a gutter while the other one first turned on the water faucet below, and then ran to the back yard to observe the flow of water thru a fractured clay pipe down about 3 ft below ground level, under the kitchen stairs. To our surprise, not a drop of water arrived, either from the front or back runoffs! Obviously the gutter water found its own way the 60 to 100 ft to the rear stone wall. We have not discovered what could be filling up the deep drain under the back porch which floods over an 8" sill right into the workshop. The waterproofing expert this morning talks about a $3500 inside French drain and sump pump, or else a $900 outdoor sump pump right in that well. But Jimmie is a stubborn do-it-ourselfer, so I can forsee Penny with a rented pneumattic drill knocking out both the cement flooring and her own teeth... Wanna put any money on it...??? . . Penny, NY ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.