. George, the only time I've seen 16 inches of water in 24 hours was the last time i was at Niagara Falls! Whew..... Now we just happen to be flat land from our house right to Long Island Sound -- which of course leads directly into the Atlantic Ocean. It's only 4 miles away. Ordinarily their waves or winds don't affect us -- the only thing we are aware of is the fog horn when the harbor is dangerous for boating. However, in the last big hurricane which happened to travel thru here, maybe 10 years ago -- it was before Hugo in Charleston, anyway -- the storm wave picked up one of my friend's entire garden and took it out to sea! Water traveled inland for 1/4 mile, and swept away one man who was unable to hold on to a lampost. But in spite of this, we have never seen 16 inches of rain. The damage came from the sea... OTOH, this summer, altho we had no rain in all June and July, and only 2 inches by Aug.26th, when the thunder storm hit us last Thursday, we got flooded in four places. And so did all of our neighbors... It was supposedly 3 inches in 30 minutes. ............................ You asked about our winter heating bills -- we heat by gas, and the ordinary winter temps range in the 20s. We always dip down to zero at least once a winter, and have been known to sink below that at times. I can't make heads nor tails out of Jimmie's Con Ed statistic charts, but of course the price is steep. We're 3,000 sq ft., all on one floor. Ranch houses are not energy efficient, I am told. But with 5 kids and a dog running around in here, we were thankful for the elbow room. >>>>>>>>>> You and Jimmie need to come visit sometime and see some real flat land >and some alligators and snakes. > >George <<<<<<<<<<<<< Gee, George, we'll swap you for some racoons and woodchucks. . . Penny, NY ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.