Carol, I thought that it was always colder at the bottom of a valley than anywhere else in the neighboring area.. yes, I guess you will soon find out. My son lives in the Finger Lakes grape growing region of upstate New York. It seems to me that he said that grapes are usually planted (when possible) on a hillside so that they will not get too much water, the idea being that grapes are always tastier when there is a drought. And they are planted next to a lake (when possible) because this gives them an earlier spring season, and they don't care if they have an early fall season... Now I am not sure of what I just said -- anybody know for sure...? The presence of water affects the temperatures, and it is to their advantage. Thank you once again for the 2nd pickle recipe -- this one sounds very interesting! We shall see how it goes . . . Penny, NY ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.