FWIW we can often find gyros meat in the freezer section of our (a little bit speciality) grocery store (and this is in the wilds of Oregon). It's a combination of beef and lamb. There are tons of tzatziki recipes floating around the web. I usually just wing it; drain the yogurt to let it thicken a few hours, then add shredded cucumber, garlic (lots of garlic!), chiles (what can I say, we like out food spicy!), a bit of lemon juice. We tend to have tzatziki, hummus, and babganoush around the house all summer long--with a fresh loaf of bread and a salad, it makes a fast and easy summer meal. Kari--whose husband is half Greek Kari Whittenberger-Keith kariwk@oregon.uoregon.edu Managing Editor, Old House Chronicle http://www.oldhousechronicle.com