Mine are climbers and are trained along the hurricane fence. They make very large port wine colored berries that are very good. I like them because they are thornless. My raspberries haven't been doing to good, even though the Dorman Red is supposedly for the south and my zone, they don't do well for me. I'm thinking of ripping raspberries and boysenberries out and going to one of the thornless blackberry cultivars. George penny x stamm wrote: > > George, I do grow raspberries. How do boysenberries grow? > > Penny, NY > > . > . > . > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.