Re: [gardeners] intro

George Shirley (
Thu, 28 Jun 2001 13:28:19 -0500

Most of that original marshland was turned into farmland in the twenties and
thirties though Anne. No controls at all until the fifties on pesticides and
other cides. I would still find it hard to believe that there was anything still
there that would kill birds after all those years. We're often to quick to blame
the farmer or industry when it may be something else that no one has delved into
deeply enough.


Annetta Green wrote:
> > > OG magazine warns against Roundup--Monsanto's claims to the contrary, it
> > > does wind up in the water.
> >
> > At the risk of sounding "anti-organic" (which I'm not), to my knowledge
> > Monsanto has never made any claims that Roundup cannot leach into water
> > supplies. The fact is that glyphosate is highly adsorbed by most soils,
> and
> > typically only very small amounts, if any, leach into groundwater when
> > properly used. Even when some makes it into water bodies, it is further
> > adsorbed and tightly bound to any organic matter in the water, where it is
> > broken down via microbes in a few weeks' time. Because it breaks down,
> > there's no bioaccumulation (as with DDT, PCP, etc).
> >
> > I rarely use the stuff myself, but when I need to, such as on poison ivy
> as
> > did the poster of the above quote, I dont think it's polluting the water.
> I
> > don't think even Greenpeace cites glyphosate as a water pollutant hazard.
> >
> > Dan Dixon
> While not totally organic myself, I have found that we need to worry more
> about overuse, or use outside of the recomended limits.  As with most
> chemicals there is that chance that it will be abused.  Look at the new
> marshland that is being set up here in FL.  The govt bought the farm land
> that, generations ago,  used to be marshand and started to fill it with
> water.  Over the years there had been so many chemical and fertilizer spills
> that the land was toxic to the native species they wanted to attract.  The
> bird kills we had last year were the result of that.  Millions of tons of
> soil have been removed and the state is ready to try again.  This time they
> are going slower and testing soil and water as the water line changes and
> fills in.  Not sure where all the money is coming from, but some of the
> labor is volunteer, as is some of the testing being done by local companies
> who want to see this work.  The marsh once returned to it's former glory
> will be a beautiful thing.
> Anne in FL
> zone 9b, sunset 26