They are quite common here - Great Lakes, ON - same climate as NY. I think you may just be too warm. Lucinda ---------- > From: Ron Hay <ronhay@pacbell.net> > To: gardeners@globalgarden.com > Subject: Re: [gardeners] Apple butter > Date: Thursday, June 28, 2001 10:52 AM > > Good morning, Margaret, > > Isn't it a pity how fast the wonderful apples of old are disppearing? It > seems that most of the apples we get, at least here in So Cal, are > latter day varieties, many of which come from New Zealand and elsewhere > outside the U.S. > > When I was a kid growing up in NY, one of my favorites was the Cortland > apple. I haven't seen nary a one in going on 40 years. Sad. > > Ron