I think 8.0 is probably OK for goldfish. They're going to tend to bring it down anyway. I used to have goldfish (in a tank, not a pond) and found a lot of useful information on an e-mail list, you can find it here: http://puregold.aquaria.net/ Some of the people on the list have very expensive show fish, but the care is the same. There's a lot of good information on the website, too. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry King <taeking@endlesshealth.com> To: Gardens & Gardening <GARDENS@LSV.UKY.EDU>; Gardeners <gardeners@globalgarden.com> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2001 1:05 PM Subject: [gardeners] OT (sort of) Carbonate Hardness in water? > Is anyone on the list familiar with the implications of KH (carbonate > hardness) of water? Last week I decided to setup a whiskey barrel pond and > include some goldfish. I have the fish in an aquarium until the pond is > ready. I've been having a h*** of a time balancing the pH. I've finally > figured out that the problem is the carbonate hardness of our water. The KH > is so high (9 dKH or 161.1 ppm) that pH wants to stay around 8.0 and I want > it to be 7.0 (which it is, right out of the tap but becomes more alkaline as > it loses CO2) Even adding a 7.0 buffer is not helping much. Does anyone > know of any tricks besides using deionized water? > > Now, I'm also wondering about the implications of carbonate hardness on my > garden soil and plants? It might explain a few things. > > Terry (off to boil some water for a partial aquarium water change wondering > how my simple whisky barrel pond became so complicated :-/) > E. WA. zone 4