George and all: You have that diabetic reaction to no sugar because (I assume) you're on insulin so you go hypoglycemic and crash out. For us Type II diabetics NOT on insulin, hypoglycemia is more rare....I'm NEVER hypoglycemic! Instead, I'm constantly fighting the high end of the scale. It's a lot harder for Type II diabetics NOT on insulin to eat any sugar than those ON insulin as you actually have better control of your blood sugar when you're on insulin. I know that current thinking puts sugar in the category of just another carb. My answer to that? YEAH RIGHT. My oral meds are not enough to take care of metabolizing ANY sugar. I seem to do OK with the sugar from natural fruit - in reasonable quantities. Refined sugar - forget it. My blood sugar is 400. Bread/starch is almost as bad but OK in very small quantities. So, I put sugar in NOTHING nor do I eat any (unless I fall off the wagon and am being bad which happens frequently). Fats in very large quantities do the same. So, what do I eat in my attempts to stay off the needle. Celery. :) Seriously - lots of veggies. Some fruit. Chicken and fish. Not alot else! :) There are REAL differences in treatment/diet of Type II diabetics that are on insulin and those of us trying to control through diet/exercise and oral meds......or that's been my experience. Sometimes I ENVY people in my family who are on insulin and can eat a piece of pie once in awhile! But, then again, I do not want to go on insulin unless it is absolutely necessary. Rosemary George wrote: Current thinking in diabetic diets is that sugar is just another carbohydrate. I calculate the amount of carbs in it into my diet and have no increased blood sugar. When I went to artificial sweeteners only I kept going hypoglysemic (low blood sugar) in my sleep. Scared the hell out of Miz Anne when I would spazz out and start convulsing. Scared me too. Went back to small amounts of sugar as part of the diet and hasn't happened since. I'm a type II diabetic and the local diabetic specialist says I'm Syndrome X diabetic, older male with a pot belly and heart problems. Where do they get these names for diseases? <VBG> You can get some diabetic recipes off the net from the various diabetes foundations and others, even SOAR and the other recipe archives have some. Do a web search and you'll probably get more than you can ever use. George