Hello, Penny, A bit later, actually. They tend to close by 5 or 5:30, depending on the overcast, but brilliant they are during the day. They really play off beautifully against our roses. BTW, if you ever see a floribunda by the name of Our Lady of Guadalupe, buy it! She is the star of this year's roses, along with Veterans' Honor and JFK; but I have a feeling that next year will see Cary Grant shine, as well. Where are you under way by now? Thanks, as always, for your kind note. Ron