Re: [gardeners] Our beautiful October garden

Elizabeth (gardeners@globalgarden.com)
Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:59:37 -0400

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I just planted a Heritage river birch in soil which I'm sure is similar =
to yours, Rosemary.  Supposedly it likes moist soil.  I sure hope so!  =
P.S.  I once killed some azaleas and rhodies by overwatering them.  And =
it took some doing--they were in a raised bed!

Elizabeth
tiarella@bellsouth.net
Zone 6, KY
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Rosemary Carlson=20
  To: gardeners@globalgarden.com=20
  Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 10:11 AM
  Subject: RE: [gardeners] Our beautiful October garden


  Penny: I am virtually sure you're right about the azaleas. I had a =
birch
  tree (European white) die from wet feet - chances are the azaleas are
  suffering the same fate. Interesting, however, that the rhodies and =
kalmia
  are thriving (and hydrangeas) under exactly the same conditions. =
Wonder why
  I could replace the azaleas with?

  Rosemary

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-gardeners@globalgarden.com
  [mailto:owner-gardeners@globalgarden.com]On Behalf Of penny x stamm
  Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 10:23 PM
  To: gardeners@globalgarden.com
  Subject: Re: [gardeners] Our beautiful October garden


  Rosemary, your message is most welcome after all this time!
  I had thought that you were on a mountain rather near to
  Lexington, but I see that Morehead is quite a piece away..
  Certainly, when we lived in Lexington, it would never have occurred
  to us to think of elk or black bears or bobcats -- I think that the
  only thing which ever bothered us was mosquitoes...<g>...

  We're zone 6 but winter is not showing its hoary smile just yet.
  I suppose it's Indian Summer, for the only things which have
  gone down are the lablab vines, and the impatiens which are in
  total shade. Just yesterday my hubby asked me how come the
  big flower bed looks so lush -- fertilizer..?  Nah, I told him, just
  full sun and lots of underground water. Almost all of my flowers
  are annuals, and they get Osmocote as they are planted, but
  nothing at all for the rest of the season.  Interesting though,
  the raspberry patch which should have fruited by September
  is just this week producing -- very unusual.

  We have one spot on a berm with full afternoon sunshine
  where azaleas flatly refuse to succeed. When we dig them up,
  they have almost no root systems at all, even though they
  were planted with tender, loving care. And if I leave the holes
  open for awhile, we get to see water at the bottom!  We have
  dug all around the area looking for a spring or a run-off from
  a neighbor's gutters, but have found nothing.  I tried a new
  approach last year:  I dumped half a bag of small pebbles in
  the bottom of the hole, and then set in the new azalea -- and
  right there, the plants have survived!  Checking everything
  out yesterday I was dismayed to see that my neighbor's
  two 60-ft tall white pines are quite suddenly dying -- they
  are in a long line of assorted mature trees which look fine.
  All the needles are browning and dropping -- there will be
  nothing left very shortly. And they are located right behind my
  problem azalea spot!  I'll place a bet that there's water under-
  neath that entire area, and when they take those two trees
  down, they'll discover it....

  I mention this because I am not convinced that your azaleas
  which are doing poorly lack sun -- I have lots of them which
  only get 2 hours a day, very early in the morning, and yet
  they bloom wonderfully in the spring. More than likely, it's
  the wet feet. With such shallow rooting systems, the roots
  tend to rot away, and the plants simply die. You might check
  it out.

  Come on back again soon -- you're a welcome breath of fresh air!

  Penny, NY



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I just planted a Heritage river birch = in soil which=20 I'm sure is similar to yours, Rosemary.  Supposedly it likes moist=20 soil.  I sure hope so!  P.S.  I once killed some azaleas = and=20 rhodies by overwatering them.  And it took some doing--they were in = a=20 raised bed!
 
Elizabeth
tiarella@bellsouth.net<= /DIV>
Zone 6, KY
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Rosemary = Carlson=20
To: gardeners@globalgarden.com=
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 = 10:11=20 AM
Subject: RE: [gardeners] Our = beautiful=20 October garden

Penny: I am virtually sure you're right about the = azaleas. I=20 had a birch
tree (European white) die from wet feet - chances are = the=20 azaleas are
suffering the same fate. Interesting, however, that the = rhodies=20 and kalmia
are thriving (and hydrangeas) under exactly the same = conditions.=20 Wonder why
I could replace the azaleas=20 with?

Rosemary

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-gardeners@globalga= rden.com
[mailto:owner-gardeners@globalgarden.com]On=20 Behalf Of penny x stamm
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 10:23 = PM
To: gardeners@globalgarden.com=
Subject:=20 Re: [gardeners] Our beautiful October garden


Rosemary, your = message=20 is most welcome after all this time!
I had thought that you were on = a=20 mountain rather near to
Lexington, but I see that Morehead is quite = a piece=20 away..
Certainly, when we lived in Lexington, it would never have=20 occurred
to us to think of elk or black bears or bobcats -- I think = that=20 the
only thing which ever bothered us was=20 mosquitoes...<g>...

We're zone 6 but winter is not = showing its=20 hoary smile just yet.
I suppose it's Indian Summer, for the only = things=20 which have
gone down are the lablab vines, and the impatiens which = are=20 in
total shade. Just yesterday my hubby asked me how come = the
big flower=20 bed looks so lush -- fertilizer..?  Nah, I told him, just
full = sun and=20 lots of underground water. Almost all of my flowers
are annuals, = and they=20 get Osmocote as they are planted, but
nothing at all for the rest = of the=20 season.  Interesting though,
the raspberry patch which should = have=20 fruited by September
is just this week producing -- very = unusual.

We=20 have one spot on a berm with full afternoon sunshine
where azaleas = flatly=20 refuse to succeed. When we dig them up,
they have almost no root = systems at=20 all, even though they
were planted with tender, loving care. And if = I leave=20 the holes
open for awhile, we get to see water at the bottom!  = We=20 have
dug all around the area looking for a spring or a run-off = from
a=20 neighbor's gutters, but have found nothing.  I tried a = new
approach=20 last year:  I dumped half a bag of small pebbles in
the bottom = of the=20 hole, and then set in the new azalea -- and
right there, the plants = have=20 survived!  Checking everything
out yesterday I was dismayed to = see=20 that my neighbor's
two 60-ft tall white pines are quite suddenly = dying --=20 they
are in a long line of assorted mature trees which look = fine.
All=20 the needles are browning and dropping -- there will be
nothing left = very=20 shortly. And they are located right behind my
problem azalea = spot! =20 I'll place a bet that there's water under-
neath that entire area, = and when=20 they take those two trees
down, they'll discover it....

I = mention=20 this because I am not convinced that your azaleas
which are doing = poorly=20 lack sun -- I have lots of them which
only get 2 hours a day, very = early in=20 the morning, and yet
they bloom wonderfully in the spring. More = than=20 likely, it's
the wet feet. With such shallow rooting systems, the=20 roots
tend to rot away, and the plants simply die. You might = check
it=20 out.

Come on back again soon -- you're a welcome breath of = fresh=20 air!

Penny,=20 = NY



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Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet = access for=20 less!
Join Juno today!  For your FREE software, visit:
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