Re: [gardeners] Wednesday, pretty close to the garden

George Shirley (
Wed, 19 Jun 2002 17:44:29 -0500

Yeah, most of what Card has written. Speculative fiction is about right but mostly it's called
alternate history writing. Lots of good stuff out there if you look for it. We have a Book Warehouse
nearby and I hate to go in there as they have a very large science fiction and fantasy section.
Costs me 50 or 60 bucks when I do go, mostly because Miz Anne is with me and we end up buying some
art books too.

George wrote:
> Anyone read Pastwatch by Orson Scott Card?  Basically he says history
> doesn't matter because it can all be changed.  Course he does write
> speculative fiction.  The book starts out sometime way in the future and
> ends up changing the outcome of Columbus' voyage.
> Barb in Idaho
> At 03:47 PM 6/19/02 -0400, you wrote:
> >Shucks Margaret, why don't you just speak up there? <VBG> You and I
> >are old enough to remember the NEBC (No Europeans Before Columbus)
> >group of historians, archaeologists, anthropologists too. Now it is
> >accepted theory that yes, Virginia, there were Europeans in the New
> >World before Chris Columbus,
> >
> >In Canada, George:Newfoundland, a place today known as L'Anse  aux
> >Meadows. NW tip of Newf.  A 9th century Viking settlement was found,
> >complete with runes, which dated the place to Eric the red or was it lief
> >erikson or are these the same guys???  oh, I should go check but too lazy
> >right this minute.  The exciting thing is the refs in the runes tie into
> some of
> >the norse sagas which we all thought were bs when we read them in school.
> >  None of this was discovered before the 80s, which puts an awful lot of
> us in
> >the no Europeans before Columbus camp.
> >
> > also Asians and possibly Africans.
> >Australian Aborigines, I would doubt that myself. Pacific Islanders,
> >no doubt at all.
> >
> >I though Pacific Islanders were related to the Abos...where is Evil John
> these
> >days?  He should know, and even if he doesn't I'm sure he would venture an
> >opinion:)).
> >
> >Lucinda
> >
> >George
> >
> >Margaret Lauterbach wrote:
> >>
> >> I've  been thinking of you, Lucinda.  Is school out yet?  We
> >> recently watched a program on a digital Discovery channel about
> >> early population of parts of Brazil and the southern tip (name
> >> escapes me at the moment).  French archaeologists were claiming that
> >> descendants of Australian aborigines settled Brazil 12 to 15,000
> >> years ago IIRC (anyway, it was earlier than the usual 11,000 years
> >> that I've read), having crossed the Pacific Ocean then,not being
> >> content to be on solid ground, hiked across the northern tip of
> >> South America to settle in the Amazon basin.  Then they migrated
> >> southward, serving as the Tierra del Fuegan "Indians."  I sat there,
> >> turned to Chuck and said "this is bullshit. I'm changing channels."
> >> Are these French archaeologists (female) as whacko as I think, or is
> >> it me?  Margaret L
> >>
> >> >What old roses do you have George?
> >> >
> >> >Lucinda
> >
> >