George, Jimmie says your idea about bringing along a piece of wood when making tight tube and hose connections sounds like a very good idea -- and he thanks you! In general, we employ a propane torch to warm up the tubing. Jim has a heavy hand, and occasionally melts the tubing right down! My son-in-law Gino, who is a weight-lifter for exercise, can make his tubing connections with his bare hands -- but even he finds it a bit difficult, at times. I remember watching the Hispanics installing my original underground system about 20 years ago - they would light up a piece of newspaper, and hold it under a supply pipe just long enough to make the ends pliable, and would then press the ends together. We're mking progress -- helper Marco lifted up the very heavy stone by our steps, and Jimmie chiseled a groove across which could fit the 12-strand cable. Then he started to chisel another deeper groove to fit the 3/4 inch piping, but it went too slowly, so Marco finsihed the job with the point of the pick-axe. That means we now have the wire and one supply hose getting across the front walk, and out of the way of any future change of shrubbery. He then put enough pipes together to give me back the water flow to the three flower beds in front of the house, hooray! Now at least I don't have to sprinkle them down three times a day by hand! Next will come another groove for the 2nd water supply line, intended for the shrubbery -- and then all we will have to do is to wait for the mason to repair the sidewalk where we demolished it last week. The stones are way too heavy for us to tackle the repair by ourselves, at our tender ages -- the strength is gone, sad to say, altho the brain still dreams big dreams .... Penny, NY ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.