Chuck I have seen very,very leggy Ash trees trying to compete with 40 ft pines They are 3 1/2 to 5 in dia 25 to 30 ft high. (Ideal firewood) Bad comparison Byron ---------- From: ChuckWyatt/Md/Z7 <ChuckWyatt@compuserve.com> To: INTERNET:Tomato@GlobalGarden.com Subject: Re: [tomato] An interesting question....at least for me... Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 2:12 PM Hi Pete, >>Ahhhh, so what you are saying is, that the tomato plant doesn't require lower temperatures, the lower temps are suggested as a way to prevent leggy plants. But if we immediately put the seedlings under grow lights, do we still need to lower temperatures?<< Unfortunately, the gro lites don't give appreciably more light than the plain old cheap cool whites. Stick to the lower temps and you will have stockier, better transplants. As a parallel, have you ever seen a sapling spindle toward the sky until it breaks out of the cover? This is what the tomato seedling is trying to do. Good gardening, Chuck Wyatt