> I would think that everyone on this NG is opposed to that > kind of science-gone-berserk I'd like to have some jumping genes from a spring buck or something so I can play "above the net" a little more in volleyball! ;-} >In my mind though, if you were successful and passed it on to your >children, then it could become a family heirloom...er, never mind. I don't necessarily put a date on heirlooms. An heirloom is something passed down from one generation to the next, so theoretically if you got seeds from your folks, they're family heirlooms. They had to start somewhere. As far as breeding vs. selecting, all the tomatoes (and most other crops) we have today were either selected for or hybridized in some way. It does help to get some basic knowledge about the basic genetics and breeding of the plants before just jumping in. I've created a number of orchid hybrids, and I feel proud of some of them that got the best of their parents. Alex