Mr. Bromley, >>If you had lost 1/3 of your crop to 4 different seed borne diseases. you might think differently about it.<< For the home gardener there is extreme difficulty in determining whether a disease is seed borne or soil borne. I am told that you have fallen into the trap of using some of the Jerry Baker scam methods. I would suggest that you look in that direction for your reasons for crop failure. I suspect that you have poisoned your soil to the extent that recovery will be slow if at all. At any rate, I certainly don't have any problem with you dumping whatever on your garden you like but I do feel it is a pity to see such ideas foisted off on an unsuspecting public. A good example of your misguided information was your suggestion that mink manure be used because the mink's diet is primarily fish. That is absolute nonsense! The mink is a carnivore, no matter what it eats and the warning about usine carnivore manure is still valid. It would be extremely difficult to get mink manure but any poor soul who put stock in your suggestion would certainly be doing the wrong thing. In the first place, that whole thread was done tongue in cheek and you missed the whole point. The seed business is made up almost entirely of International Conglomerates and the incidence of seed borne diseases is miniscule. Although the vast majority of seed is grown in third world countries at slave lobor prices the product is primarily disease free. I have personally opened and divided many a fifty pound bag of seed from foreign countries that never saw a U.S. inspector. Tis was completely legal and common practice. The Netherlands are a major player as is Germany and the former Soviet Union is beginning to take a place. There are many things wrong with the seed business but disease borne seed isn't among them. Byron, if you just sit back and learn from those you seem to constantly challenge, you and your garden might benefit greatly. As it is now, you are just making a fool of yourself. Be quiet and trust somebody other than Jerry Baker and you will find your garden improves. If you are losing 1/3 of your crop, as you say you are, please don't give advice! Good gardening, Chuck Wyatt