So, if I can show my ignorance a little more....it's bad for them to be that tall? I didn't realize that until Chuck's answer. The tomatoes are in buckets, so I can set them in full sunlight if that might be better. They get about 7 to 8 hours of full sun where they are and then shaded sun the rest of the day. I've been threading them straight up the cage and I pinched about 80% of the suckers off until recently, so they are somewhat rocket like, plenty of fruit though. Should I do this differently next year? I'm buying some of the books that have been recommended recently, so hopefully I won't have to ask so many dumb questions soon. --Michael In a message dated 6/21/99 11:00:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ChuckWyatt@compuserve.com writes: << Hi Michael, The overhead trees are almost surely at the heart of the problem. When a tomato plant gets insufficient light it will stretch toward what light it does get. You can see the same effect in woodlands where saplings spindle upward toward the light far above. Indeterminate plants set fruit from the new growth at the ends of the stems so I would hesitate before cutting them off. Good gardening, Chuck Wyatt >>