These are not the green grape types. They are a red. I assume they are a hybrid (this farmer I know who grows them wouldn't be caught dead growing an OP variety). He says he can not grow enough to meet demand. As for the Tuscan Kale, I got the seeds from FEDCO in Waterville, Maine. I think Johnny's also sells it (Sometimes they call it Palm Tree Kale). It is funny about kale. My doctor suggested my wife & I eat kale; my wife listens to physicians, so we began to try it. The supermarket stuff is inedible. However, my Tuscan Kale, especially after a good frost (and we have had that & more-I picked some the other day when it was -2)is really good. As for making it fit for human consumption, you have to check out a cookbook called "Red, White & Greens", cooking Italian Vegetables. Two or three great kale recipes (the one with penne is especially excellent) as is the cauliflower with fennel & tomato. >Are they called Green Grape? I grew those once, but was put off by the > >sickly yellow color when they were ripe. They weren't good enough to > >overlook that. Riesentraube cherry tomatoes (with a nipple at the blossom > >end) are some of my new favorite cherry tomatoes. Where did you get the > >cavolo nero seeds and how do you prepare that for human consumption? >Thanks, Margaret L > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com