When I received my monthly mailing from Seminis Vegetable, the following from Jim Waltrip was included. I do not know what website he is referring to and while I sell both open-pollinated and hybrid seeds, I prefer OP's because they cost me a lot less. Here goes: "OUTRIGHT LIES LEAD TO IGNORANT GARDENERS by Jim Waltrip On a web site, called to my attention by my daughter, were several lies about hybrids written by someone who passed themselves off as an expert; proving that you had better not believe much of anything on the internet without verifying the source. The lady said, among other things, "Most hybrid tomatoes require more water (which is environmentally draining) and fertilizer (which is environmentally damaging) than open pollinated varieties." How can writers get by with saying this kind of thing? Most people believe what they read, so this is more than a little damaging. She went on to say that hybridizing has led to a loss of flavor, in addition to diminishing an important component of genitic diversity. She grouped home garden tomatoes together with commercial varieties. Now I ask you to check out pages 63 to 70 of our new catalog. Do you think varieties like Big Beef, Celebrity, Lemon Boy, First Lady II, Enchantment, Better Boy, SunSugar, Pink Girl and Patio have no flavor? Do they sound like varieties that were bred for their "thick skins and long shelf-life"? I'll put our 10 best tasting hybrid tomatoew up against the 10 best tasting OP's anyone can name in a blind taste test. We'll get one of most trusted universities to conduct the test, and lets see once and for all if hybrids have no flavor. Come on, is anyone or any organization willing to take on this challenge? Seminis will put up half the funding if someone else puts up the other half. Don't be afraid of losing. I'm sure not. The misguided statement that hybrids require more water and fertilizer doesn't even deserve a reply. But I want to say this: If both OP's and hybrids are given no water (except rain) and no fertilizer, and both are grown under the same conditions in the same location, hybrids will generally give a greater yield than OP's. Not by a little, but by a lot. As for hybrids diminishing genetic diversity, that is another false statement that is repeated over and over by people who are simply trying to hide the facts. To get flavor and disease resistance in hybrids, we are using the resources of our huge bank of germ plasm including wild species. We are adding to genitic diversity by releasing hybrids with characteristics not found in the narrow band of germ plasm available in locally grown and saved heirlooms. I could go on and on about this but let me conclude it by saying that seed saved from hybrids will produce plants that segregate and do not come back true to type, but that adds to genetic diversity rather than diminishing it. Seminis has bred and sold hundreds of varieties of tomatoes for processing and fresh-market shipping in more than 100 countries, and surely without hybridization people would simply not be eating as well. But, the varieties bred for processing and fresh market shipping are not necessarily the ones we recommend for home gardening. Better Boy, Lemon Boy, Celebrity, Big Beef, First Lady II, Big Boy, Supersteak, Beefmaster, Pink Girl, Patio, Miracle Sweet and several others bred for home gardening are the ones you need to be planting (and selling) for home gardening. When you see lies printed about hybrids, don't be afraid to speak up and ask for scientific evidence, if you believe like I do, that we can ill-afford to throw away the plant-breeding progress we've made over the past 50 to 60 years. I've said it before and I'll say it again, there is room for both OP's and hybrids in the home gardening arena. I favor hybrids, and some people favor OP's. That's fine except for deliberate lying about hybrids. I don't understand why people have to stoop to such a thing, but I'm getting tired of it. I hope you are too." A couple of things from me: I received the 2001 Seminis Wholesale Price List today. It lists 52 hybrid tomato varieties and 38 standard varieties. Jim Waltrip is very well respected in the seed business. If you would like to some excellent information on tomatoes check out: http://www.ngb.org/5/a20.asp . Jim was a contributor. Dave TLCC http://www.tough-love.com