All chile peppers are perennials, but I doubt if any could survive a zone 5 winter. My guess is that they would need a zone 9 or warmer climate in order to survive the winter. The exception *might* be something indigenous to a mountainous climate (Ecuador or Brazil?). Anyway, it has nothing to do with whether or not the chiles are ornamental or not. Ornamentals are breed for color, foliage, size, etc., but not for hardiness. Many varieties of chiles will stay alive if brought indoors (in pots) for the winter and put in a well lit area. I'm trying this with a couple plants from my garden this winter. -----Original Message----- From: James Campbell <camkeep@bright.net> To: Chile-Heads <chile-heads@globalgarden.com> Date: Wednesday, November 25, 1998 10:10 PM Subject: [CH] perennials???? Greetings Some years ago, a couple of friends in FL grew some perennial peppers (4' bushes, tiny pale purple, white, yellow, mottled peppers) that I thought were strictly ornamental, until Andy made barbecue sauce with the evil things and used it on ribs. Until then I hadn't known what they meant when they said the peppers would make a mockingbird fly backward (I was so young and naive then). Now the question: are there any perennials available that will survive outside in the zone 5 winters of north central OH? Or if potted, partially protected, in an unheated greenhouse, perhaps? Sources? Thanks, JC James Malcolm Campbell, Campbell Keep, Bucyrus, OH, USA