Bill, Would this face make something up? (oh, that's right, you can't see my face) Then you can't see me crossing my finger either, so I'll say no, I'm not making anything up! ;-) I'm no expert on Red Savinas. They are a hybrid, but I think work is being done to stabilise the hybrid so it breeds true to type. OP stands for open pollinated. They will breed true to type. When two types of pepper are cross-pollinated the next generation will be F1 hybrids, with genetic features of both parents. Any seeds saved from this, whether cross-pollinated or not will be the F2 generation and will produce plants of greater variation than the F1 generation. Selection of which plants you save seeds from for each subsequent generation can result in a stable hybrid, and a new stable cultivar, with time. Anything I have wrong, or have created from my own warped memories of my Biology degree will be subsequently corrected by other members of the list... Cheers, Tara -- ______________________________________________________ Tara Deen School of Geosciences Division of Geology and Geophysics Building FO5 University of Sydney NSW 2006 Phone: 61-2-9351 4271 Fax: 61-2-9351 0184 Mobile: 061 410 538 655 email: tara@es.usyd.edu.au ______________________________________________________