>Kay Lancaster kay@fern.com >just west of Portland, OR; USDA zone 8, >with yet more cold rain. Bleaghhhhh! >(but the roses are STILL blooming) I saw roses in bloom in front of a building in New york City this past Saturday. Must be all that concrete sheltering (and warming?) the plants. Still don't want to live there. Great energy but soooo noisy and far too little soil! Cheryl Schaefer schaefer @epix.net Zone 5 in the fabulous Finger Lakes of NY