On Wed, 21 Jan 1998, Cheryl & Erich Schaefer wrote: > I've got a question, and anyone might add his or her two cents here. When > you don't know how a particular seed needs to be treated and can't find out > for one reason or another, is there a rule of thumb you follow for first > try, second, etc.? I've got some mystery shrub seeds from Italy that didn't > respond to the ordinary 1/4 in. deep treatment. TIA. Cheryl Start cool, get warmer is my rule. I usually make a wild guess based on the origin of the seeds and where the plant is native, and start with approximately winter conditions in those areas if the area is not frost-free. I'll usually split a lot of seeds that I have no real clues about: one gets a prechill treatment in damp sand for 6-8 weeks then 15oC night temps, 20o day temps; one gets about 15-20oC constant temp, and another gets 20oC night, 30oC day temps alternating. In practice, this works out to baggie in the veggie drawer of the refrigerator, top of the refrigerator, and cool bedroom under growlights during the day. Planting depth is immaterial for most seeds, as long as you keep them evenly moist. If none of those treatments work in a reasonable length of time, I look at the seeds. Are they mushy? If so, they're dead. Are they not plump looking? If so, they haven't imbibed, and I need to pierce or scarify. If they look ok, just aren't doing much, I'll try a warmer germination temp and see if that does it. It's rare that one of those maneuvers doesn't work when you actually have viable seed. The reason that I don't start with the warmest temperatures and go to cooler if they don't work is that too warm temperatures push some seeds into a deep secondary dormancy that's a real problem to break. Kay Lancaster kay@fern.com