George Shirley <gardeners@globalgarden.com> wrote: > Personally I test the soil temps with a thermometer, to much trouble > getting up and down for the other method. ;-) In my neighborhood I'd get arrested doing it that other way. Since you admit to using a thermometer, perhaps you'd care to share with me the minimum soil temp that you think is okay for "warm soil" seeds. Everytime I ask this question someone tells me to drop my pants. Liz