Hi I, like Brenda, have been lurking for a while. But I see the wise and hunourous people that I love so much are on this list. Have enjoyed reading and learning. Liz, what a tribute that your town has taken. I have sat on this message for a couple of days as it had a great effect on me. It is like a reality check for so many people that get caught up with the humdrum ways of their existence. A wake up call to the average person that things are not right in so many instances. I think that there are many people out there that do kindnesses every day and it is only a traumatic situation such as you experienced that wakes up the others. It is awesome to see people come together in times of strife and turmoil. I just wish they would "just come together" to celebrate, to enjoy, and to praise each other and life on a regular basis. I went through a sililar experience in Calgary which is about 700,000 strong. A grandmother and her grandchild were knifed to death by a person who was out on part time release. I, too, stood with my head bowed at a major intersection as the hearses passed by and when I looked up there were so many others doing the same. What I would like to know is how can we take this precious moment and make it an everyday thing. Like George said, we need to start appreciating and protecting what is our most valued resource -- people. I didn't mean to start with this list with an off topic conversation. I am not as well versed in gardening as so many others. However, I have felt that I am as valued as anyone else that belongs to the gardening list as those that are so much more experienced than I. So there you go.......this group is made up of the type of people that you have talked about. Caring, concerned, valuing of others, supportive of others, and they are not presumptuous. Go well, my friend, you have experienced the group mind of empathy and compassion. It is quite an overwhelming experience. Gayle -- "The most deadly of all possible sins is the mutilation of a child's spirit" Erik Erikson