From: George Shirley <gshirley@iamerica.net> >>died yet, but as soon as the new leaves get about 6" long, they give up >>the ghost. No sign of a flower. I have it in full sun and am wondering if >>that is the problem. >> >>Catharine, Atlanta, zone 7b I suppose there are many plants that I can grow in full sun that Southern gardeners must screen or place in part to full shade. My S. argentea are in full sun. They are planted in the soil I make from xmas trees which is about 5" deep. That is resting on construction fill which is compacted and will not hold moisture. All of the above is 18" above grade. After flowering, I cut off all but two of the towers to make seed. Now that it has been harvested, they have been removed, and the plants are making strong growth (contrary to popular opinion that allowing them to flower is a death sentence.) I understand that the large leaved Salvias are attractive in pots, but have not grown them in that manner. S. patens, S. transylvanica, and S. forskaoli are all growing here in afternoon sun, full sun, and part shade, respectively. >believe the humidity is doing them in and wondered if moving them in the >low-humidity house under the lights would help. So there, an answer, of >sorts, and another question. > >George Well, Chicago doesn't have the humidity of the gulf, despite the big lake. I consider the humidity to be very high anyway, judging from the discomfort level. Are there different kinds of humidity, like flowing, running, dripping, beading up, moist & salty, etc.? I can understand plant reactions to temperature, but have little intuitive feeling about stress from humidity because while plants are closing their pores, mine are opening. I think Catherine should dump that unhappy misfit, and start over with one that she started from seed. At least it will never have danced to anyone else's tune. Alternatively, if she has purchased the plant, and it was allowed to flower in the previous season, then it was a cripple when she bought it. This Salvia is often thought of as a biennial, and many gardeners prolong its life by not allowing it to flower. manytimes, tom zone 5a, NE Illinois, -21ºF Min http://www.anet-chi.com/~manytimes