Hi Penny Nice to see you back on a list again. I must confess I've already planted the dafs and most of the tulips. Did get around to planting the species tulips yet. Also planted a bunch of crocus and some alliums. We've had some cool , but sunny days this week and I actually had frost on my back windshield Monday morning. I dislike planting bulbs in the bitter cold so I usually plant them around this time of the year. Never had problems before (fingers crossed). We did have drought conditions, but more so in the valley. Farmers have lost lots of produce. Sorry to hear you lost some shrubs. Some of mine aren't the healthiest looking, but they've hung in there. DH and I were talking last weekend about putting in an underground watering system in a year or 2. We were always under the impression that we had to dig down quite deeply but gather you only have to go down about 6 inches as long as you remember to drain it before winter. His bro in Montreal (colder than we) uses this method and it works. So sorry too to hear about your Hemlocks. Kinda difficult to get rid of spider mites on a 25 footer. Didn't know they would regrow their needles. Care to explain. >>> penny x stamm <pennyx1@Juno.com> 10/05 10:47 PM >>> Penny -- how wonderful to hear from you! When do you plan on planting all those bulbs? It's a bit too warm here, and we do have the same climate, I know. I've only bought a heap of crocuses so far, for the rock garden. I guess I'll have to return and get the tiny tulips (Kaufmaniana, etc.) . Did your area suffer mightily from this summer's drought, the way we did? Lost some precious shrubs. But the worst was the discovery last week that my 25ft hemlocks had been hit by spider mites -- they've turned grey and are dropping their needles. It's a gardener's worst nightmare.... The trees won't die, but there will be no screening at all until 2001. Ye Gods! What a concept! Penny, down in New York ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]