Dear list, Thank you all for the several suggestions/hints on using peat and on my failed grass. I had bought a bag of a recommended seed for my area and for the shade, think it was fresh but who knows? It was at Home Depot. I waited for a day after a rain so the soil would be soft and then raked the whole area to cause little furrows. Sprinkled well-rotted manure, then spread the seed. Then put a light layer of hay over it all. Watered it daily - but will admit to doing it just once a day, not 4 times a day. Didn't walk on it at all for 3 and a half weeks.... and then disappointment. The master gardener at my county extension agent office recommended getting the seed down by the end of March, no later so I may just wait til fall at this point. But I think adding lime would be a good idea to try to sweeten the soil in that area. Seems reasonable if the violets are growing like gangbusters, which they are, that the soil is too sweet for grass.... I got my first shipment from Edible Lanscape today: 3 raspberry bushes. (oops! I had ordered just two) but they look luscious. Very green, healthy bushy with a thick central stalk. They are greenhouse grown, so will require several days of hardening off before I can actually get around to planting them. Whee! Clavery111 Bethesda, MD Zone 7b _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com