Allen, great description! Don't know if we will ever get to your perfection of technique, though. How many people can you serve with 2 of those briskets plus the side dishes? Do you reserve this meat for only the 4th, or is it your choice many times a year? Penny, NY ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.