. Here in coastal New York, we are expecting the Dennis rain starting at midnite, to last for 48 hours. From what they say, we will get flooded, and i do NOT look forward to all that towels & wringer stuff like what we had 12 days ago. In preparation, Jimmie is planning to wait until the driveway backs up about 6 feet, and then he wants us both to spring in to action: He will run from the garage around to the door under the kitchen steps where the troublesome drain sits, and will pull away his homemade stopper to get a look at the flow of water down in the hole. [He cannot dare open the door, because the last time he tried that, Niagara Falls rushed into the house!] Right now he has a piece of truck inner tube over the drain hole, then the drain screen on top, and then a bar of solid lead on top of that, hoping the hold back the flood. OK, so his latest idea is, once again, to open up that hole when the driveway backs up, and i will be flying out into the storm to pull the strainer off of THAT drain with a rush... if we cannot see any water backing up to the door drain, then we know they are not connected underground.. We already know that the door drain is not fed by the house downdrains from the gutters -- so where's the water coming from...??? If we have negative results from this test, then we will have to bring in a back hoe, and tear up the back yard. I think I'll buy Jim a bigger wet-dry vac for Xmas. . Penny, NY ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.