. Yes, Margaret, and the rivers in North Carolina haven't crested yet! We're due for fresh rain coming from the west, starting by morning. I tremble. . . We expect to start digging down to search for a certain pipe just as soon as I am willing to tear out my large annual flower bed. Jim says he'll start with a 3x3x3.5 ft hole, and if we don't find the pipe, he'll continue. I told him he might as well dig it 3x6x3.5 -- after all, he's almost 78 years old, and only a maniac would undertake this..... Penny, NY zone 6, getting cooler..... . . .- ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.