Martha, The last time I visited the Botanic Gardens was with my Grandmother just before she passed away. I have some very special memories there. I've been coveting a membership. They aren't that expensive, it just seems like when I have the money there is always something else that's more important for it to go to. Maybe next year I'll splurge on the symposium. Your plans sound wonderful. Sounds like the kind of thing I grew up with & am looking forward to in a couple years. Have you grown moonflower before? I started some last year inside & couldn't manage to get it to live long enough to transplant outside. What I really need is a collasable greenhouse & a place to put it in the spring. Seana Lucky you to live that close to Denver. The past few years I have driven the 600 miles one way to Denver for the Horticulture Magazine Symposium at the Botanic Garden the first week of February but due to illness this year I couldn't go. It will be Feb 1st and I wish I could go. The theme this year is "Fitting in Naturally." The speakers include Neil Diboll, Lauren Springer (whom I would make the drive to see if they didn't have the rest), C. Colston Burrell and Daniel J. Hinkley from Heronswood Nursery. The cost is about $100.00 but I have always found it to be worth it. We live on 10 acres outside a small town in NW Oklahoma. I have 2 grown children. My husband has a Diesel Mechanic shop and I have a Bookkeeping Office both here on the 10 acres we live on. I started landscaping in 1996 in the area within the circle drive around the house that measures about 250X350 feet. The shop area covers about 21/2 acres in one corner of the 10 acre site. My plans are to gradually expand the landscaped area to cover about 3 acres leaving almost half in trees and native grass. At the present we are in the middle of a two year remodeling project on the house and in the spring will be putting in another water garden on the west side of the house as the drive approaches that will be about 10X35 feet in a Japanese influenced garden area. We added a 45 ft long 8ft tall trellis last year ending in an 8X8X12' tall arbor on the south of the house. I am planning to plant climbing roses, clematis, Coral and Goldflame Honeysuckle along with annual Sweetpeas and Moonflower on it to block the view from the highway this year. I like your idea of no grass. In the area around the house I am installing native flagstone like walks, lots of beds of shrubs and perennials and water gardens. There will be an oval of cool-season grass about 15X25 feet left for the winter color since it stays green all winter most years. My DH says its because I like to walk barefoot on it in the summer. I like the fact I can mow it in 5-10 minutes with a push mower. I have 4 small patio type seating areas in different parts of the garden in addition to the 50 foot long porch on the south of the house. I have plans for at least one more and another screened porch for a summer kitchen with the grill and an extra refrigerator etc. I am adding a lot of reblooming iris and daylillies in raised beds along with various annuals for cutting in the "service area" of the yard. Most of my vegetables are also in raised beds in this area. So far I have 12 raised beds measuring 4X25 feet each. Martha M Brown NW Oklahoma, USA USDA Zone 6b, Sunset Zone 35 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com