Allen, I have added tons of organic material and am still doing so. I need to do soil tests again this year. I haven't tested since 1997 and the pH was 7.1 then. NPK were all better in 97 than in the first tests in 1995 so apparently the organic material has improved that some. I use the raised beds in the vegetable and cutting gardens so I can put all the organic matter in the beds not the paths. In fact I have been building another bed each year with concrete blocks stacked 2 high. I use it as a compost pile layering with soil and rounding until it won't hold any more. Kind of a modified sheet composting. The next spring I add soil to fill if needed and mix well. Cover crops, rotation and plenty of mulch will keep them in good shape. At the moment I have 20 truck loads of mixed shredded leaves and chipped limbs from the local electrical line maintenance crews composting. Each pile is still probably 8X8X6. I haven't been out lately to check them. I probably need to add a little nitrogen to them. Should have had it on before the snow but I didn't get it done. The drivers just dumped a load here and one there all over the meadow near the highway. I have to get all of them moved by spring according to my husband. He wants to treat that area for sandburs so I want my compost out of there before he spreads the herbicide. It's a good thing I have the front end loader to move them. Martha M Brown NW Oklahoma, USA USDA Zone 6b, Sunset Zone 35 ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Merten <ajmerten@earthlink.net> To: <gardeners@globalgarden.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [gardeners] Who's out there? Hi Martha, Since you have "sugar sand" the best improvement you could do would be to add lots of organic material. Compost made of local material is what I would recommend. Some commercial composts may contain materials that could change the pH of the soil in your raised beds. There is a conservation group that is asking people not to buy peat and sphagnum moss because the commercial harvest of them is destroying the peat beds and causing other environmental problems. I can't remember the name of the group. If anyone is familiar with this group, please let the list know. I had no idea that the harvest of peat was causing problems until I read the article in a post to the now defunct Wildgardens list. I don't use peat or sphagnum moss any way. Allen Bastrop Co., SE Central Tx. Wildscape #1071 Zone 8