Have not found chinch bugs or grubs and doubt they would make such a perfect circular pattern. The grass around the tree in the center of the ring is fine. Outside the ring is fine. Its just a line on the ground right under the drip line of both trees thats dying. They have not been sprayed with anything that I know of, but I just moved into the house a year ago and the circles were visible then. They have steadily worsened, down to bare ground, but have not spread out any bigger than a year ago, just noticeably thinner grass. Truly weird. There are no pets or anything in the yard that would make that kind of wear pattern. I'm going to try a regular feeding and watering program before I resort to pesticides or fungicides, but its really vexing me. We've had a lot of rain this year so far, and some runners are beginning to run back into the bare areas. It may be a combination of factors-the drought last year, neglect for the years before I moved in, etc. We'll see. At 07:29 PM 5/16/00 -0500, you wrote: >Jeannine Kantz wrote: >> >> I saw a similar message to this one from the 98 archives. My St Augustine >> is dying in a ring that coincides exactly with the dripline of my live oak >> trees. The trees have been there about 5 years. The grass is fine >> everywhere else. It seems to be coming back this spring, but we've had a >> lot of rain. I'm in zone 8-College Station, TX. >> >> 1. Could this be from tannic acid in the live oaks? >> >> 2. Can it be corrected some how? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Jeannine Kantz >> jkantz@tca.net >> ************************************* >> Yesterday is the past, >> Tomorrow is the future, >> Today is a gift, >> That's why we call it the present. >> ************************************* > >Is it dying from the trunk out or just at the dripline? We have lots of live >oaks in the area and if the sun can reach under them the San Augustine grows >under there. I have white oaks, red oaks, and pin oaks in my yard and the San >Augustine grows under them okay but the limbs are trimmed up high enough that >the sun reaches under the trees. > >Doubt that it is tannic acid but could be chinch bugs, chafer grugs, or June >beetle grugs that is killing your grass. Pull up a clump of grass by the roots >and see if there are white grubs under it. Hope this helps. > >George > Jeannine Kantz jkantz@tca.net