Anne, that was the same rhodie forest which took the dreadful beating from the winter weather -- I actually filled 4 32-gal pails with the debris which i had to cut off! But let me tell you, I did NOT climb inside the tangle to reach the unreachable -- anything I couldn't snatch and pull down for clipping I left alone. The plants put on such extraordinary vegetative growth in an effort to stay alive that now no one can see the damage! It boggles the mind ... Jimmie heard water running at 11:00pm tonite -- investigation showed that I had left the underground soaker hoses on from 3:00pm in the rose bed. (They are not automated.) Never happened before -- and I hang my head in shame. I do wonder what cause and effect there will be... Penny. NY . . .-- ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.