Chris, here it is: > > But Moira, have you seen the umbrella pine...? It is delicious..! No I haven't had the pleasure! > I fell in love with Norfolk Island pines on Bermuda, 1957. I don't often > get to see them hereabouts -- they are not grown. I've never seen a > compact one, either. Although many local gardens do have them they are really too dominent to look right in suburban conditions. In my opinion they call for a huge garden or better still a seafront to look really at home. People do keep tham in containers as live Christmas trees, but they do get thin and sad looking after a couple of years. Perhaps if treated like a Bonsai and root pruned from time to time they might survive looking better. > > The last monkey puzzle tree I saw and stared at was in a large, formal > garden in Ireland, Scotland, England, somewheres. It stood perhaps > 20 ft tall, and was not only symetrical but well diagrammed, if you can > understand my use of that word. I was riveted to the ground just > drinking it all in. I have only once seen a young one, which was in a local small front garden and it looked indeed "well diagrammed" (I could undertand you exactly) and really splendid. It is what in East Africa we would have called a PWD (Public Works Dept) tree apparently designed not by nature but by some engineer!! A common species there to which we gave this name was the Kapok tree, but I think the Monkey Puzzle is more spectacular. However I did also know an avenue of old (M P) trees in England which had no bottom branches and seemed very dishevelled, so perhaps one should regularly replant to get the best effect. That young tree described above had no chance to outgrow its youthful beauty. It began to encroach on the main path and had soon to be removed for safety's sake. Moira >-- Tony & Moira Ryan <theryans@xtra.co.nz> Wainuiomata (near Wellington, capital city of New Zealand) --------- End forwarded message ---------- ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.