Re: [gardeners] Ivy Gourd, Kaempfer or Cork Wood Tree

Margaret Lauterbach (gardeners@globalgarden.com)
Mon, 12 Mar 2001 11:51:06 -0700 

At 12:26 PM 3/12/01 -0500, you wrote:
>For the cork tree, have a look at:
>http://www.britannica.com/seo/c/cork-tree/
>http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/single_image/0,5716,10559+asmbly%5 
>Fid,00.html
>vs.
>http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/single_image/0,5716,10559+asmbly%5 
>Fid,00.html
>
>Winged beans/ Psophocarpus tetragonolobus
>1)ECHO
>17430 Durrance Road
>North Fort Myers, FL,  33917
>941-543-3246
>$1 for catalog
>and they have a day length neutral one which you would need for your area.
>
>2) Champion Seed co
>4630 West Jennifer, Ste 103
>Fresno, CA 93722
>209-275-1101
>
>Sharon
>gordonse@one.net

Sharon, I just talked to my friend who brought the poster. She's an 
experienced gardener, and spent three months in Thailand, mostly traveling 
by bicycle by herself. Her sister and brother-in-law live on/in/at 
Phuket.  She says the cork tree is a mimosa, and apparently they eat the 
blossoms?  They were just coming to market in Feb. when she left. She said 
they're served on large trays of vegetables that are eaten raw.  She didn't 
have the opportunity to try them since she didn't know what they were 
called and didn't see them so she could point to them.  Thanks very 
much.  Margaret L



>At 05:53 AM 3/12/01 -0700, you wrote:
>>At 01:53 PM 3/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>>At 01:44 PM 3/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>Ivy gourd is Ivy Gourd, Coccinea grandis, Cucurbitaceae
>>>>In Hawaii, it is acting rather like Kudzu.
>>>>It looks like a cucumber vine with hot red peppers growing on it.
>>>>The fruits and leaves are edible.  Cook the leaves and the fruits
>>>>can be raw or cooked and eaten young or ripe.  It has
>>>>some medicinal uses as well.  It has both male and female
>>>>plants.
>>>>
>>>>Kaempfer is most likely Kaempferia  which is  lesser galangale which is
>>>>a root similar to ginger and turmeric and is a cousin to both. Seems to 
>>>>me that it was better known in the middle ages.  I think Penzey's sells it.
>>>>Our local ethnic grocery store has it or greater galangale occasionally,
>>>>though I am not sure which as they don't label it.
>>>>It got its German name due to being named after a German botanist
>>>>who worked in the late 1600's.
>>>>
>>>>But it could be
>>>>Latin Name Common Name Family Synonyms
>>>>Aristolochia kaempferiAristolochiaceaeA. lineata. Hocquartia 
>>>>kaempferi.; Aristolochia lineata; Hocquartia kaempferi
>>>>Broussonetia kazinokiKozoMoraceaeB. kaempferi. non Sieb.&Zucc. B. 
>>>>monoica. B. sieboldii.; Broussonetia kaempferi
>>>>Catalpa ovataChinese catalpaBignoniaceaeC. kaempferi.; Catalpa kaempferi
>>>>Farfugium japonicumLeopard plantCompositaeLigularia kaempferi. 
>>>>(DC.)Sieb.&Zucc. L. tussilaginea. (Burm.)Makino. Senecio kaempferi. DC. 
>>>>Tussilago japonica.; Ligularia kaempferi; Senecio kaempferi
>>>>Iris ensataJapanese water irisIridaceaeI. kaempferi. I. lactea.; Iris 
>>>>kaempferi
>>>>Iris macrosiphonBowltube irisIridaceaeI. amabilis. I. californica. I. 
>>>>elata.; I. kaempferi
>>>>Larix kaempferiJapanese larchPinaceaeAbies leptolepis; L. japonica; L. 
>>>>kaempferi var. pendula; L. leptolepis; L. leptolepis f. pendula; L. 
>>>>leptolepis var. murrayana; L. leptolepis var. pendula; Pinus kaempferi; 
>>>>Pseudolarix kaempferi
>>>>Phytolacca acinosaIndian pokePhytolaccaceaeP. kaempferi
>>>>Phytolacca esculentaPhytolaccaceaeP. acinosa esculenta. P. kaempferi.; 
>>>>Phytolacca kaempferi
>>>>Pseudolarix amabilisGolden larchPinaceaeP. fortunei. Mayr. P. 
>>>>kaempferi. Gord.; Pseudolarix kaempferi; Larix kaempferi; Larix 
>>>>kaempferi var. pendula; Pinus kaempferi
>>>>Rhododendron kaempferiEricaceaeAzalea obtusa var. kaempferi; R. obtusum 
>>>>var. kaempferi
>>>>Rhus vernicifluaLacquer treeAnacardiaceaeR. kaempferi. R. vernicifera. 
>>>>R. vernix. non L. Toxicodendron verniciflua. (Stokes.)F.Barkley.
>>>>Vitis thunbergiiVitaceaeV. sieboldii.; V. kaempferi
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>>By George, I think you've got it!!!  Wow.
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>>>>For the Cork Wood Tree, I would guess the Cork Oak, Quercus Suber.
>>>>It takes 40 years to get from acorn to first wine cork and then you can get
>>>>more corks every 9-12 years.  They usually grow around the mediterranean
>>>>mostly.  The only one I can think of in the US is on the campus of
>>>>UC-Davis in California.
>>>>
>>>>There's also Phellodendron amurense  with an edible turpentine
>>>>scented fruit and P. japonicum which are sometimes
>>>>called Cork Trees.  They have little black fruits.
>>>>
>>>>And Entelea arborescens which is
>>>>an evergreen shrub and not
>>>>edible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sharon
>>>>gordonse@one.net
>>
>>Sharon, the photo for the Cork Wood Tree shows a cluster of locust 
>>tree-like leaves and fat white pea-like pods. I can't tell whether 
>>they're pods or buds.  Do you know who has winged bean seeds for sale?  I 
>>once grew some from Richters, I think, that advised eating them before 
>>they were 1 and 1/2 inches tall.  Plants were only about 6 inches tall, 
>>so the pods were very hard to see.  I never did get any that small.  But 
>>I understand these regular winged beans may be eaten up to 3 or 4 inches 
>>long. Surely I'd see them before that.  Thanks very much for the above 
>>info.  Margaret L
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