Margaret, Could it be Zauschneria (aka Epilobium) or Kniphofia. Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-gardeners@globalgarden.com [mailto:owner-gardeners@globalgarden.com]On Behalf Of Margaret Lauterbach Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 10:15 AM To: Gardens@LSV.UKY.EDU Subject: [gardeners] Mystery plant A few years ago, some gardening friends and I visited a truly expert gardener (he also grafts fruit trees successfully, so he ranks a few notches up) at his home. He has espaliered fruit trees and grafted several varieties of fruit on each tree that really act as a fence between his place and his neighbors. He broke off a dried herbaceous seed stalk and gave it to us, saying it was great for hummingbirds. One friend said "Is it a ____________?" and he answered yes. In the car I asked her what she had identified as the plant behind the stalk and she couldn't remember. Another friend said "name some plants and I'll tell you what it was." (sheesh!) and the third friend didn't hear the identification. I said I wasn't planting anything that I didn't have ID on. So the third friend took the seed stalk and planted seeds. It's a biennial, forming a low rosette of what looks like grey-green eryngium leaves the first year, then the second year it sends up a red stalk of blossoms similar to eremerus, that hummingbirds fight over. It freely self-seeds, so the friend who grew it and noticed the hummingbird activity, brought me some volunteer plants and even planted them for me. I telephoned the expert gardener (English is his second language, and his grasp is only fair), and he thought I was talking about Butterfly bush. sigh. Does anyone have any ideas? Thanks very much, Margaret L