Jill, I did go after those houtania because where they are located, they fail to develop the red coloration. The sun is over there from 1:00pm until 7:00pm, but it is not doing them any good..... I had forgotten how AWFUL they smell when being pulled! Actually, I had a helper here on that day, and he bolted from the area as if he had been shot... Next thing I knew, he returned wearing one of my spray masks, but even that did not help him. And as luck would have it, a skunk seems to have made a nest about 30 feet away, in my neighbor's back yard shrubbery. Just the existance of the nest causes the characteristic odor to permeate the area. I told the helper to hold his breath, and do his job, just as I was busy doing... Whew! Yucko ------ Penny, NY . . ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.