On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Terry King wrote: > Does Hortus III have a physical description of S. nemorosa? Sunset does say > that May Night is S. xsylvestries which is an offspring of S. nemorosa. > Sunset also says that nemorosa spreads by rhizomes, which I'm assuming would > be the key difference between it and xsuperba and xsylvestris. Remember that Hortus is only interested in cultivated plants, so it totally ignores the real S. nemerosa other than: S. nemerosa L: Not in clut.; material cult. under this name is usually S. x superba, some of it may be S. x sylvestris S. x superba Stapf (S. nemorosa Mottet and authors, not L.; S. virgata Hort, non Jaxq; S. virgata nemerosa Hort): S x sylvestis x S x villicaulis Borb. A sterile hybrid; perennial, to 4.5 ft, stems woody at base, laves ovate-oblong to oblong, 1-3 long, obtuse to truncate at base, crenulate, rugulose, gray-green, puberulent beneath, the lower stem leaves mostly sessile; inflorescence densely spicate, 4-8" lonf, bracks red-purple, corolla hearly 0.5" long, violet-purple, anthers without pollen. Known only in cultivation. S. x sylvestris L. (S. nemerosa x S. pratensis) Perennial, 6-30", similar to S. pratensis but stem leaves more numerous and oblong-lanceolate, the bracts purple, flowers more numerous, scarcely more than 0.5" long, Europe to w. Asia. Some material of S. pratensis may belong here. S. pratensis L. Aromatic perennial, 1-3.5 ft high, pubescent, the upper parts glandular; leaves ovate to oblong, 3-6" long, cordate, doubly crenate or lobes, rugose, inflorescence spicate, verticillasters 4-6 flowe, bracts green, shorter than calyx, calyx teeth acute or mucronate, corolla 5/8-1" long, strongly curved, typically violet-blue, rarely pink or white, but in cultivation varying from rose-pink to dark violet-purple. Extremely variable, especially in size and shape of corollae. Europe, Morocco. Some material grown under this name may be the hybrid S. x sylvestris. Cvx include 'Alba', 'Atroviolacea' and 'Rosea'. S. nemerosa L. Perennial herb to 1 m, erect, much branched. Leaves to 10 cm, ovate or lanceolate to oblong, apex attenuate, base obtuse or cordate, notched, rugose, and glandular-pubescent; petioles to 4 cm. Verticillasters 2-6 flowered, in dense, terminal, stiff, branched spikes to 40 cm; bracts to 10 mm, imbricate, ovate, violet or purple, calyx to 6 mm, dilated in fruit, pubescent; corolla 8-12 mm, violet to purpule or white to pink. Summer-authm. Europe to Central asia. S. x superba: Perennail herb, leaves to 7 c, oblong-lanceolate, rounded to cordate at the base, crenate, rugose, pubescent beneath, lower leaves petiolate. Verticillasters 4-6 flowered, slightly separated, bracts green or violte-tinged, orbicular; corolla dark violet, white pubescents. Central Asia, W. Siberia, Europe, naturalized in North America. 'Alba' - coroola white. Cultivars grouped here are of uncertain origin and may be S. nemerosa. 'Blauhu'gel;: dwarf, flowers clear blue, abundant. 'Blauko"nigen ('Blue Queen'): compact, flowers violet. 'Kew Gold': leaves gold, sometimes spotted green. 'Lubeca': tall; glowers deep violet, early-flowering. 'Lye End': Leaves dark green, flowers lilac=blue, sepals plume-like, brown. 'Mainacht'('May night'): low, flowers blue to black. 'Negrito': flowers dark blue. 'Ostfriesland'('East Friesland'): flowers deep purple flushed blue. 'Primevere': flowers violet-lue. 'Rose Queen': leaves tinted grey, flowers pale pink, calyx red. 'Rubin': flowers plum. Ruegen': habit compact, flowers blue. 'Senior': flowers violet. 'Ta"zerin': tall, flowers purple. 'Viola Klose': flowers rich blue, early-flowering. 'Wesuwe' dlowers purple tinted blue, early flowering. Probably the best place to look would be the recently completed "European Garden Flora", which has a pre-pub price of $750. Previous volumes in the multivolume set are in the $150-200 range. Kay