Bargyla, my friend in New Zealand has some suggestions for a true blue flower: >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Penny There was a long discussion on the Organic list only a few weeks ago on just this subject - a true-blue perennial for California, but I gather the climate is a considerble problem. I fear I didn't closely follow it, as my climate is so different, but I remember suggestions like Chinese Forgetmenot (Cynoglossum) and Borage. Unfortunately, though they self-seed freely neither is perennial. I think it possible the perennial Anchusa azurea, which hales from Italy should suit the climate, though I don't temember it being mentioned. It apparently has several varieties and 'Opal" it seems is a bright blue, (though Lodden Royalist the only form which I have seen is dark and rather purplish). Another menber of the Borage family which might grow there provided it got some shade is Brunnera, which also has good blue flowers. Unfortunately the glorous blue gentians of Europe are totally unsuitable, as they only seem to flourish in cool and preferably misty climates like Scotland. Even my summer climate is too hot to suit them and they just gradually fade away. Definitely no easy answer! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sent by Penny, NY ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.