Matt, My son-in-law, Gino, has created two of the handsomest patios imaginable, at his home in St.Louis. (His father was a mason who helped to build every bridge and hospital in Manhattan, going back a few years...) The front patio is made of 12 or 14 inch white paving stones. It is bordered by a resurrected antique iron fence painted white, and he did run a hollow tube underneath so he could feed electricity to anything out there ... The rear patio is made of bricks laid out in a fan shape, quarter of a circle with the radius of about 20 feet. He utilized both old and new bricks, which in the end resulted in an 'established' look. He bordered it with a semicircular flower bed 18" deep, irrigated by a hidden soaker hose on a clock in the garage. The man is a fanatic for accuracy, whatever he tackles. And he did the work in his "spare time" ... He has just this minute left for the airport, returning to St.Louis tonight. Giving him the benefit of 2 or 3 days to catch up at home, I shall query him about the foundation for your patio under the two trees. Please just refresh my memory about how much room you expect to leave around the tree trunks so as to avoid smothering the trees themselves, and/or a future upheaval of roots upsetting the patio. Oh yes, and which paving medium did you expect to use? Penny, NY . ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com