Hi Margaret, 4 of the shrubs are 4' leylands planted a little to far from the fence line. 2 lorupetalums (sp?) are planted too close to the hedge. Saw a friends that are almost twice the size of what he expected them to grow to. The last shrub is a european fan palm. Going to move it to a more protected location near the 'L' of the house. We plan on keeping the leylands about 8-9 feet tall and 3-4 feet wide. I'll need to hand prune it 3 or 4 times a year. It's only 80 feet of hedge, so it won't take but an hour or so. Hand pruning is one of the few garden chores I really enjoy doing. Beats pulling weeds any day! I hated removing the deck but the wood was pretty rotted. The deck was only raised about 6 inches off the ground. It was built in 3 foot squares, with the 3" boards running north/south in one square, then east/west in the next. Made a nice checkerboard effect. A lot of effort went into building it, but it's wood, so the 30 years it lasted wasn't too bad. The concrete base had imprints and lag bolts for the support boards throughout it and it was too rough to use as a flat surface. The new 30 foot round patio only covers 2/3 of the footprint of the old deck. After breaking it up, I didn't want to have to look at it ever again! The new patio will be more like those expensive driveways in the nicest parts of town. That's more the look I'm trying for. I'm hoping, when it's finished and has matured for a few years, to enter the yard in an amateur competion, or maybe ask Southern Living if they would consider a photo shoot. We have lots of pictures of before and during. If the 'after' looks as good as I want, it will all be worth it. <VBG> We got a 3 year old, black lab mix last September. I originally wanted another great dane, but only after the yard was finished! A coworker was giving up his dog for a number of reasons and brought him to the pound. Lucky sheds like a trooper, but he's a perfect dog. I was hoping someone else would adopt him, but his time was running out, so we ended up with him. He's a keeper, just need to retrain him on what's off limits once the yard is finished. We had a lot of stuff sitting in the patio 'footprint', then moved it when we started with the crush and run. There is almost no storage space in the yard. Everything will have a place when we're done, but for now I spend half the time just moving stuff around, as I start another part of the project before the last part is finished... There is a 10'x35' run on the far side of the house that will be 'his', but right now I have a bunch of junk stashed throughout it. Cleaning up after him and walking him takes some time from the projects, but I couldn't see taking a chance on him get put down. His latest stunt was to come tearing around the pond and hooking his hind leg on the 2.5 foot decorative fence we use to keep him out of it. $200 later he'll be fine. The stitches come out next week... The hot tub was a great deal. It's fine for 2, but a little tight for 3. It's more for aches and pains than parties. <VBG> Putting it in the wooden garden shed was an idea from dreaming over pictures of other people's yards in Southern Living. I still have 2 glass doors at a friends house. They will open out on the backyard side of the shed. Using the shed for the hot tub and a few zone 9 plants took away what little storage space was left. The good part was it forced me to throw a lot of junk away! I'm a packrat from hell. Moving into a small house with a small yard has forced me to get that habit under control (at least a little) I'm looking forward to next year when working in the yard means grilling steaks and relaxing with a cold beer! Stay warm Matt __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/