<snip> >I really feel at a loss here. If we only are going to 'talk' about >heirlooms, then your list and >http://GlobalGarden.com/Tomato/Archives/vol.1/index.html about covers it >Chuck. There's not much more to say. > >Sincerely >Louis Mensing > I would be happy to talk about hybrids. The first year I grew Celebrity tomatoes, they were red, uniform, uncracked and delicious. I could hardly wait to grow them again. The second year I grew them, they were few, puny and tasted terrible. The old fellow in the garden center, from which I had purchased the plants, said, "Well, we had a cold snap a few weeks ago. These hybrids just can't take a bit of cold." I let the rest of the crop rot (I had other tomatoes in my patch). Friends persuaded me to give them one more try. So I grew a couple of plants again the next year. Small crop, terrible taste. Man at the garden center said, "Well, we had some hot weather a few weeks ago. These hybrids can't take hot weather." I also grew Floramerica a few years ago. Gorgeous plant, large showy trusses of beautiful, perfect tomatoes. Every time a gardening friend came by, she asked, "what kind of tomato is that?" "Floramerica." We picked some and brought them inside. I accidentally dropped one, and it bounced and rolled into the other room. No visible damage to the tomato. We cut into another to taste it. Suffice it to say I've never grown it again. Now Mr. Mensing, you may live in an ideal tomato climate where you don't have unexpected cool or hot weather during the growing season. That's fine. You would probably do well to grow hybrids. I don't, so I don't like to grow hybrids. If I drop a tomato, I want it to splat. I don't want a tomato with a tough, thick skin nor a tomato with firm flesh. I don't want an unreliable producer, either. I have been called a "list policeman" for urging new gardeners to try non-hybrids and to try paste tomatoes other than Romas. Yes, I grew Romas many years ago. The plants succumbed to curly top disease, and the fruit was small, tough and on the sour side. My taste preference runs to sweet. Now are you satisfied Mr. Mensing? And tough guy Anderson? There's some discussion of hybrids and Romas. Margaret Lauterbach, who obviously isn't the only "list policeman" on the list.